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July 29 - Here and There - Herbst

Although most observers speak of the situation in Ukraine as "a frozen war," the former US Ambassador to Ukraine, John Herbst told KSFR's Dave Marash on HERE AND THERE, secessionist forces, supported by Russia have become more and more aggressive in the south and east of the country.  He says the US and the West need to be tougher on confronting this.  But he says, when it comes to the crucial matter of reforming Ukraine's politics and economy, there are reasons for real optimism.

Former US Ambassador to Ukraine John Herbst, speaking to Dave Marash on Here and There, which you can hear today on KSFR following the five o’clock news.